Émission de radio L'Autre Monde

Émission de radio L'Autre Monde

mercredi 19 novembre 2008

Démocratie menacée au Québec & Écroulement d'une civilisation


Émission de L'Autre Monde du 20 novembre 2008: Démocratie menacée au Québec & Écroulement d'une civilisation

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L'Autre Monde 20 novembre 2008
60 min / Radio de l'UQAM, CHOQ FM

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Cette semaine sur L'Autre Monde, nous abordons le dossier de l'état policier, les mesures répressives, invasion de la vie privée et atteintes à nos droits et libertés.

Nous en profitons pour commenter sur la situation de notre démocratie au Québec à la lumière des agissements des médias. Nous ne manquons pas de parler du plan controversé de sauvetage proposé pour "sauver" les constructeurs automobiles et le problème de valeur que nous avons dans notre époque décadente. Essayons de recentrer les débats.

Soyez au rendez-vous le jeudi à 11h sur les ondes de CHOQ FM!

Diffusion en direct : Jeudi à 11:00h
Animation : François Marginean
Archives d'émission

***Hyperliens vers les sources des informations discutées sur l'émission d'aujourd'hui:

Conférence publique: Les enjeux de la crise financière, avec Michel Chossudovsky

LES ÉLECTIONS 2008 AU QUÉBEC - 33 jours et 33 billets - 10


Pour qui se prend ce consortium de diffuseurs, pour s’autoproclamer l’arbitre de ce que doit ou ne doit pas entendre la population lors d’une campagne électorale ? En décidant d’exclure les Verts et le QS du débat télévisé, les diffuseurs biaisent si outrageusement l’issue du prochain scrutin que nos droits à tous sont lésés. Gravement lésés, et notre démocratie qui claudique entre manipulation et corruption n’a pas besoin de ce sale coup supplémentaire.

Canwest TV loss tops $1B

Canadian publisher and broadcaster Canwest Global Communications Corp. has taken a $1.01-billion writedown on its Canadian television operations, citing dire expectations for future advertising revenues.

Webmaster's Commentary:

I guess the Canadians don't like being lied to any more than Americans do!

New Report: Fake TV News Widespread and Undisclosed

The Center for Media Democracy and Free Press today exposed an epidemic of fake news infiltrating local television broadcasts across country. At a press conference in Washington with FCC Commissioner Jonathan S. Adelstein, the groups called for a crackdown on stations that present corporate-sponsored videos as genuine news to an unsuspecting audience.

Afin de souligner la journée internationales de solidarité avec le peuple PALESTINIEN

Exposition d’œuvres de Palestine Sur le « mur de la honte ».


De 11 hrs à 18 hrs.



Une conférence sur l’occupation de la Palestine

donnée par M.Rezeq Faraj ( à 12 h 45)

Pavillon : GESTION Salle : R – R 160

Événement organisé par

« La coalition pour la JUSTICE en PALESTINE UQAM »

Renseignements :

Marie-Christine : una_rubia8@hotmail.com

Association étudiante de la culture arabe :


Problèmes de valeurs aux États-Unis:

Obama Pushes for $50 Billion for Automakers, Oversight Czar

By injecting himself into the talks about how to save General Motors, Obama is making an exception to his decision to steer clear of policy-making until he takes office.

The president-elect also wants the Federal Reserve to extend emergency loans to General Motors, Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, according to Obama aides who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The failure of those companies would likely bring down parts-makers, dealerships and suppliers in addition to inflicting a deep psychological blow.

GM Spends $17 Million Per Year on Viagra

Lifestyle drugs -- chiefly Viagra -- are costing General Motors $17 million dollars a year and the cost is passed along to car, truck and SUV consumers. The blue pill is covered under GM's labor agreement with United Auto Workers, as well as benefit plans for salaried employees.

GM 'Needs' to Go Under

Listen, it wasn't American citizens who knuckled under to the UAW and decided to lavish fat pensions and health benefits on assembly line workers making $100k a year the past few decades. So get over it. Figure out how to cut overhead and improve your product or go the hell out of business.

Americans uneasy over bailout for automakers

Webmaster's Commentary:

Corporations are already legally "persons", and technically immortal as well, but the law making them so does not commit us to perpetual life support of such "persons" when they are no longer able to survive. Even gods may become mortal and die when they fail.

Propping up the corporations (and their political donations) may be immediately expedient, but it perpetuates the core problem, which is that the United States is no longer competitive in the global marketplace.

Yes, a great many of our remaining manufacturing corporations are in dire trouble. But the rules of evolution state quite clearly that those less fit to survive will die off and make way for something more suited to the present world to evolve and supplant them. Older life forms give way to newer life forms., Older methods give way to newer methods. Older manufacturers thus must give way to newer manufacturers.

We cannot prop up the candle maker when the prudent course is to build an electric light factory!

Chrysler leaders get millions

As Detroit's crumbling auto industry asks Congress for a bailout, Chrysler is in the awkward position of paying about $30 million in retention bonuses to keep top executives while the company cuts thousands of jobs.

Those promised the largest retention bonuses:

• Frank Ewasyshyn, executive vice president, manufacturing, $1.89 million.

• Frank Klegon, executive vice president, product development, $1.8 million.

• Rae, $1.66 million.

• Simon Boag, president, Mopar/global service and parts, $1.65 million.

• Steven Landry, executive vice president, North American sales, $1.63 million.

• Michael Manley, executive vice president, international sales, marketing and business development, $1.53 million.

Daimler: Chrysler worth nothing

The German automaker has depreciated its stake in Chrysler to zero from $268 million at the end of June, the company said Thursday. A little over a year ago, the company valued its 19.9% stake in Chrysler at $2.2 billion.

The announcement came as part of Daimler's quarterly financial release on a day when Consumer Reports scolded the Auburn Hills automaker's quality and Chrysler announced plant cuts that will halt hybrid vehicle production -- all as majority owner Cerberus Capital Management talks with General Motors Corp. about a merger that could result in 30,000 job cuts.

GM to invest 1 bln dollars in Brazil

The General Motors Corporation (GM) has decided to invest 1 billion U.S. dollars in Brazil to expand business there, local media reported Tuesday.

The investment was part of a U.S. bailout package and would be used to upgrade car production lines before 2012, said Djame Adila, a GM's official in charge of the markets in Brazil and other member-countries of the South American Common Market which also groups Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Venezuela.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Then they sure as hell don’t need taxpayer dollars to build factories in OTHER COUNTRIES!

Chinese Automakers May Buy GM and Chrysler


Main Core: New Evidence Reveals Top Secret Government Database Used in Bush Spy Program

Salon.com has published new details about a top secret government database that might be at the heart of the Bush administration’s domestic spying operations. The database is known as “Main Core.” It reportedly collects and stores vast amounts of personal and financial data about millions of Americans. Some former US officials believe that “Main Core” may have been used by the National Security Agency to determine who to spy on in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

Webmaster's Commentary:

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell
you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the
Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.

The Final Push for World Government


Man dies after Taser used

EDMONTON (CBC) - A Calgary man involved in a weekend Taser incident in Calgary has died, a spokesperson for the Alberta Serious Incident Response Team said Monday.

Police tazer man to death

The autopsy obtained by WITN News says Smith was tased four times by deputies. About a half hour later, Smith stopped breathing in the hospital emergency room and later was pronounced dead.

The TV report mentioned that he was tazered twice of those four times while in shackles and hand cuffs.

None the less the hospital rules his cause of death as "natural."

Webmaster's Commentary:

"Because when you are electrocuted four time, naturally you will die!"

29 year old tased to death

Crimes by air marshals raise questions about hiring

Shawn Nguyen bragged that he could sneak anything past airport security using his top-secret clearance as a federal air marshal. And for months, he smuggled cocaine and drug money onto flights across the country, boasting to an FBI informant that he was "the man with the golden badge."

Michael McGowan used his position as an air marshal to lure a young boy to his hotel room, where he showed him child porn, took pictures of him naked and sexually abused him.

Ex-Italian President: Provocateur Riots Then “Beat The Shit Out Of Protesters”

Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga has offered a solution to the Italian government in dealing with widespread demonstrations by students and teachers over a cut in state funding of education - use agent provocateurs to start riots and then have the police “beat the shit out of the protesters”.

ACLU: Undercover Cops Staged Confrontation Amid DNC

Undercover police officers posing as protesters staged a fight with a police commander during the Democratic convention, and it was so convincing they were pepper-sprayed by a deputy who wasn't in on the ruse, a civil liberties group says.


Crack down on young drivers

Yeah, more of government controlling and dictating how to live our lives. No more than one passenger! Socialist/communist government rising. They want to save lives and then send soldiers to kill abroad and permit GMOs in our food chain that modify internal organs.

This is such a sick society.

RAND Lobbies Pentagon: Start War To Save U.S. Economy

Webmaster's Commentary:

"We just kill off all those pesky poor people!"

No charges but US may never release Guantánamo Chinese

Seventeen Chinese prisoners who have been held for nearly seven years in Guantánamo Bay will be informed on Monday that they could spend the rest of their lives behind bars, even though they face no charges and have been told by a judge they should be freed.

No country is willing to accept them and the US justice department has now blocked moves for them to be allowed to go to the US mainland, where they had been offered a home by refugee and Christian organisations.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Unflipping believable. A life sentence for these guys, "...even though they face no charges and have been told by a judge they should be freed."

There are a number of ways to characterize what is going on at Gitmo.

One can talk about torture, no civil liberties, no due process, and absolutely no relation to what is thought of as traditional American jurisprudence; a stain on America's moral character, and a blight on the international opinion of this country which will take years to overcome.

However, there is another way to view what is happening at Gitmo.

Consider it a kind of "laboratory" in which this government tests how carry out any - or all - of the above on American citizens right here in this country, if there is any kind of "national emergency" leading to the declaration of martial law.

And for those who think it "that can't happen here", please think again.

As reported on 2 October, 2008

"In a barely noticed development, a US Army unit is now training for domestic operations under the control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. An initial news report in the Army Times newspaper last month noted that in addition to emergency response the force “may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control.” The military has since claimed the force will not be used for civil unrest, but questions remain."

Questions, indeed. As reported in "Uruknet.com", 25 September 2008,


"the mission assigned to the nearly 4,000 troops of the First Brigade Combat Team does not consist merely of rescuing victims of terrorist attacks. An article that appeared earlier this month in the Army Times ("Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1"), a publication that is widely read within the military, paints a different and far more ominous picture"

"They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control," the paper reports. It quotes the unit’s commander, Col. Robert Cloutier, as saying that the 1st BCT’s soldiers are being trained in the use of "the first ever nonlethal package the Army has fielded." The weapons, the paper reported, are "designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them."

The equipment includes beanbag bullets, shields and batons and equipment for erecting roadblocks.

"I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered," Cloutier told the Army Times. He described the effects of the electroshock weapon as "your worst muscle cramp ever—times 10 throughout your whole body."

"The colonel’s remark suggests that, in preparation for their "homefront" duties, rank-and-file troops are also being routinely Tasered. The brutalizing effect and intent of such a macabre training exercise is to inure troops against sympathy for the pain and suffering they may be called upon to inflict on the civilian population using these same "non-lethal" weapons."

The timing - and true mission - of this deployment are deeply worrisome.

Bush Administration Committed War Crimes Against Prisoners, Reveals Physicians for Human Rights

The Bush administration has committed war crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo Bay in its practice of torturing prisoners, according to the conclusions of a medical examination conducted by the organization Physicians for Human Rights.

CIA allowed concealing torture documents

Chief Judge Royce Lamberth of the Washington D.C. Circuit Court declined to review torture allegations from men held in the CIA's prisons-because it could put the nation at risk of grave danger if allowed to be made public.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Meaning it got far worse than just the waterboarding you already know about.

CIA Can Hide Torture Allegations, Court Rules

The CIA can hide statements from imprisoned suspected terrorists that the agency tortured them in its set of secret prisons, a federal judge ruled Wednesday,

Chief Judge Royce Lamberth of the Washington D.C. Circuit Court declined to review the government's assertions that the allegations of torture from men held in the CIA's black site prisons -- whether truthful or not -- would put the nation at risk of grave danger if allowed to be made public.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Unflipping believable.

CIA officers could face trial in Britain over torture allegations

Senior CIA officers could be put on trial in Britain after it emerged last night that the Attorney General is to investigate allegations that a British resident held in Guantanamo Bay was brutally tortured, after being arrested and questioned by American forces following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in 2001.

The Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has asked Baroness Scotland to consider bringing criminal proceedings against Americans allegedly responsible for the rendition and abuse of Binyam Mohamed, when he was held in prisons in Morocco and Afghanistan.

U.S. And Allies Tortured Kids in Iraqi Prisons

Since it invaded Iraq in 2003, the U.S. has detained thousands of juveniles—some of whom were tortured and sexually abused, according to published reports. Figures of the number of children behind bars vary. Some estimates put the number as high as 6,000.

While the criminal abuse of male prisoners at Abu Ghraib is well known, child and women prisoners held there have also been tortured and raped, according to Neil Mackay of Glasgow’s “Sunday Herald.” Abu Ghraib prison is located about 20 miles west of Baghdad.

Iraqi lawyer Sahar Yasiri, representing the Federation of Prisoners and Political Prisoners, said in a published interview there are more than 400,000 detainees in Iraq being held in 36 prisons and camps and that 95 percent of the 10,000 women among them have been raped. Children, he said, “suffer from torture, rape, (and) starvation” and do not know why they have been arrested. He added the children have been victims of “random” arrests “not based on any legal text.”

Cleric blames CIA for Bali bombing

An Indonesian Islamic cleric linked to the three extremists awaiting execution for the Bali bombings said the 2002 attack which killed more than 200 people, including 88 Australians, was the work of the CIA.

Elite combat brigade for homeland security missions raises ire of ACLU

In the next three years the military plans to activate and train an estimated 4,700 service members for specialized domestic operations, according to Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of U.S. Northern Command, which was created in 2002 for homeland defense missions.

“This isn’t a military police brigade or a civil affairs brigade. This is actually a combat brigade being assigned a domestic mission,” said Mike German, national security counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union’s legislative office in Washington., D.C.

Two More U.S. Military Units Assigned For Homeland Security

What Is NorthCom Up To?

NorthCom’s press release also says that other participants in the exercise include the U.S. Strategic Command’s “Global Lightning 09,” which is a plan to use nuclear weapons in a surprise attack.

The Pentagon’s “Bulwark Defender 09” is also involved in the exercise, and it is a cyberspace protection outfit of the Pentagon.

Washington, D.C. Is a Fourth Amendment-Free Zone

While the Fourth Amendment guarantees “the right of the people to be secure in their persons … and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures,” the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) made it clear earlier this week that the Constitution does not apply in D.C. According to Metro Transit Police Chief Michael Taborn, “Inspections could take place at any Metrorail station or Metrobus stop.

VIDEO - Greasing the Skids for Martial Law

Government black boxes will 'collect every email'

Internet "black boxes" will be used to collect every email and web visit in the UK under the Government's plans for a giant "big brother" database, The Independent has learnt.

'This is against human dignity'

EU MPs concerned by airport full-body scanners Module body

Thu Oct 23 2008

STRASBOURG, France (Reuters) - Airport full-body scanners that show people's private parts are a virtual strip search, European Union lawmakers said Thursday, calling for detailed study of the technology before it is used.

New ID rules proposed for airline passengers

The Department of Homeland Security will take responsibility from airlines for checking passenger names against watch lists beginning in January and will require all commercial passengers for the first time to provide their full name, date of birth and gender as a condition of boarding a flight, U.S. officials said Wednesday.

Webmaster's Commentary:

"You papers please. Your papers MUST be in order. Papers please!"

Homeland Security Assuming Broad Powers, Turning Vast Swaths of U.S. into “Constitution-Free Zone”

You’re driving along a remote, dusty road, when suddenly you come upon a border patrol checkpoint. There, agents demand to see your identity papers, and search your car. You are taken by surprise, because you know you haven’t wandered across the Texas-Mexico border. In fact, you’re quite sure of that, because you’re driving through rural Wisconsin countryside west of Green Bay. Even the Canadian border is more than 90 miles away.

Webmaster's Commentary:

If you are young, skilled, and intelligent, you might want to seriously consider leaving the US now, while you still can.

Unfortunately, no matter who assumes the position of president after the November election, it does not appear that the erosion of civil liberties, and the continued evisceration of the Constitution and Bill of Rights will stop any time soon.

FBI Finds Most Terrorism Threat Reports Baseless

The FBI tracked about 108,000 potential terrorism threats or suspicious incidents from mid-2004 to November 2007, but most were found groundless, a Justice Department review found on Friday.

The department’s office of inspector general gave the figure in an audit of the FBI’s terrorism case-tracking system, called Guardian, launched in 2002 after the September 11 attacks.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Trust me; had they found a real genuine terrorists, ABCNNBBCBS would have told us all about it. 24/7, for a month and a half.

FBI fights order for deposition of Oklahoma City bombing conspirator, death-row inmate

The FBI is appealing an order that allows a Utah attorney to conduct taped depositions of Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols and a death-row inmate.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Got something to hide, FBI?

Naomi Wolf - Parallel Between US and Fascist Italy

Naomi Wolf, noted author & social critic draws chilling comparisons
between how Mussolini used legal means to gradually take away
democracy in Italy & how the US is going down a similar path. Please view and forward to as many people as possible.




Forget fingerprinting. Companies in Europe have begun to roll out an advanced biometric system from Japan that identifies people from the unique patterns of veins inside their fingers.

Finger vein authentication, introduced widely by Japanese banks in the last two years, is claimed to be the fastest and most secure biometric method. Developed by Hitachi, it verifies a person's identity based on the lattice work of minute blood vessels under the skin.

Driving Your Liberties Away: Biometrics and “Enhanced” Drivers Licenses

Privacy advocates across Canada have been struggling to prevent the Ontario provincial government from passing legislation that will see radio identifiers and biometric data inserted into future Ontarian drivers licenses. In spite of their efforts to raise the government’s awareness of the privacy dangers accompanying the proposed licenses, it appears as though their work may been in vain: Bill 85 is now in its final reading, and is widely expected to be passed on November 17th, or shortly thereafter, when the reading continues.

Webmaster's Commentary:

The problem is that all these identifiers used by the government are inevitably cracked by the hackers, so these licenses, which make it more convenient for the government to herd us up and harvest their cash from us, actually increase the risk of identity theft and further posses to criminals.

Documents say feds can track cell phones' locations without telecoms help

Using "triggerfish" technology, mobile phones are tricked into transmitting their serial numbers, phone numbers and other data by posing as a cellular phone tower. Until now, it's been believed that such technology could only be successfully employed with the help of the telecoms themselves, because the specific location of the phone couldn't be traced with enough accuracy.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Intelligent bad guys won't be using their cell phones to transmit any information that will likely trip them up.

This is just another way of the federal government prying into the lives of some private citizens (of course, they can't track every call or every email, no matter what they may want us to think.)

Voice of the White House October 30, 2008

“Even as the Bush righwingers are smelling defeat in the air, they are allying themselves with American law enforcement agencies in an attempt to completely censor and control the Internet usage and reception inside the United States.

Parents to be fingerprinted by nursery schools

Parents are to be fingerprinted when they pick their children up from nursery school, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Up to 50 nurseries and playgroups have already signed up for the new security measures, thought to be the first time parents have been targetted in this way.

Civil libertarians have branded the decision a "huge overeaction".

The new entry system requires people who collect their children to place their finger on a scanner, to make sure that only nominated individuals can get through secure entrances.

Kidsunlimited, the nursery chain, will be rolling out the new technology to its 50 playgroups.

Packs of robots will hunt down uncooperative humans
October 22, 2008, New Scientist

The latest request from the Pentagon jars the senses. They are looking for contractors to provide a "Multi-Robot Pursuit System" that will let packs of robots "search for and detect a non-cooperative human". Given that iRobot last year struck a deal with Taser International to mount stun weapons on its military robots, how long before we see packs of droids hunting down pesky demonstrators with paralysing weapons? Or could the packs even be lethally armed? Steve Wright of Leeds Metropolitan University is an expert on police and military technologies. "The giveaway here is the phrase 'a non-cooperative human subject'," he told me: "What we have here are the beginnings of something designed to enable robots to hunt down humans like a pack of dogs. Once the software is perfected we can reasonably anticipate that they will become autonomous and become armed. We can also expect such systems to be equipped with human detection and tracking devices including sensors which detect human breath and the radio waves associated with a human heart beat. These are technologies already developed." Noel Sharkey, an AI and robotics engineer at the University of Sheffield, says "This is a clear step towards one of the main goals of the US Army's Future Combat Systems project, which aims to make a single soldier the nexus for a large scale robot attack. Independently, ground and aerial robots have been tested together and once the bits are joined, there will be a robot force under command of a single soldier with potentially dire consequences for innocents around the corner."

Note: For many revealing reports of new weaponry technologies in the planning and development stages, click here.

Darpa Wants to See Inside Your House

The Pentagon wants to be able to peer inside your apartment building -- picking out where all the major rooms, stairways, and dens of evil-doers are.

Webmaster's Commentary:

My webcam isn't good enough for you?

Australia planning to block 10,000 websites

The websites will be blocked as part of a government-sponsored trial of its filter technology that will start before Christmas and last six weeks.

The government has already identified 1300 websites that it wants to black list as part of the clean feeds scheme.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the sites mostly contained child pornography and other unwatned content, including images and videos.

The Slaves That Time Forgot

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

Webmaster's Commentary:

The British captured Irish people and sold them as slaves, especially to the Caribbean and South America. In the first few years of American history there were more white slaves than black; most of them being Irish.

They were White and They were Slaves - 1 of 3


Bush Trying to Pardon Himself


Bush Could be Executed For War Crimes

Members of the Bush administration and George W. Bush personally conspired to violate the Geneva Convention, US obligations to it as well as US criminal codes! When it became apparent to Bush that he and high ranking members of his administration were culpable and could be put to death upon conviction, Bush tried to make his crimes legal --but only after he had committed them.

Clearly --the Bush administration itself is aware that it is in deep, deep trouble.

Webmaster's Commentary:

Broadcast the executions on pay-per-view. The revenue from around the world will restore the US economy.

Bugliosi: Bush Should be Prosecuted for Murder


Bush's Capital Crimes



VIDEO - Halloween plans from Bush


Believe or Dont Believe this video will make you think - million FEMA Coffins - Why?

A field of thousands maybe a million plastic coffins spread out over a 10 mile radius, you can see it from Google Earth!? are you kidding me?

33°33'57.36"N 83°29'6.26"W



U.S. admits it held 12 juveniles at Guantanamo

New report details shattered lives of released Guantanamo detainees

The report, "Guantanamo and Its Aftermath: U.S. Detention and Interrogation Practices and Their Impact on Detainees," based on a two-year study, reveals in graphic detail the cumulative effect of Bush Administration policies on the lives of 62 released detainees. Many of the prisoners were sold into captivity and subjected to brutal treatment in U.S. prison camps in Afghanistan. Once in Guantanamo, prisoners were denied access to civilian courts to challenge the legality of their detention.

George W Bush could pardon spies involved in torture

A former CIA officer familiar with the backstage lobbying for pardons, said: "These are the people President Bush asked to fight the war on terror for him. He gave them the green light to fight tough. The view of many in the intelligence community is that he should not leave them vulnerable to legal censure when he leaves.

"An effort is under way to get pre-emptive pardons. The White House has indicated that the matter is under consideration."

Webmaster's Commentary:

It is Bush and Cheney and everyone else in this administration who approved of using torture who should be tried for war crimes.

Of course, that will never happen, except, possibly in absentia, at the Hague.

Italy PM argues state secrecy in CIA kidnap trial

Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has told a Milan court trying U.S. and Italian spies for a suspected CIA kidnap that details on ties between the two countries' secret services must remain secret.

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