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L'histoire de la Shoah: l'envers de la médaille

L'histoire de la Shoah: l'envers de la médaille

L'Holocauste des Juifs, ou la Shoah, est le seul événement historique sur lequel il est défendu d'enquêter. Il est en fait criminel d'enquêter à ce sujet dans plusieurs pays d'Europe, au Canada et d'autres. Pourtant, la vérité n'a pas besoin de loi pour se tenir debout. Plus nous recherchons la vérité et les évidences qui la soutiennent, plus elle se révèle d'elle-même et devient fait historiquement reconnu par tous. Mais même si vous avez la meilleure des intentions, mais que vous avez aussi des évidences qui contredisent certains aspects de la Shoah, on vous envoie en prison ainsi que l'avocat qui vous a défendu en cour de justice.

De quoi ont t-ils peur?

Alors, pour ceux qui ont le courage de se poser des questions sans être intimidés, je vous lance une série d'articles qui vont vous mettre sur la piste de la réflexion personnelle au lieu de vous faire dicter une certaine réalité perçue. Ceci est l'envers de la médaille que vous ne trouverez pas dans les médias de masse, mais bien ici sur Les Nouvelles Internationales.

Les articles de reflètent pas nécessairement mon point de vue et ne sont pas endossés par LNI. Il faut vous faire votre propre opinion. Mon but est de vous faire parvenir de l'information qui est trop souvent passé sous silence, influençant ainsi notre vision du monde au profit de certains éléments. Je ne suis pas si certain que nous vivons dans une réelle société où la libre expression est garantie. Stephen Harper a même déclaré que de critiquer Israël était malsain et frisait l'antisémitisme. Certaines universités ont bannie toute critique de ce pays, mais par contre, on veut enseigner la Shoah dans les écoles primaires. Le pire étant que pendant qu'on se déchire pour connaître la vérité sur notre passé et notre histoire, d'autres génocides ont lieu directement sous nos yeux, des massacres que l'on pourrait arrêter demain matin si on en avait vraiment la volonté. Prenez le cas de l'Irak et de la Palestine par exemple.

What Does 'Holocaust Denial' Really Mean?

Free Speech in Germany petition

We, the undersigned, believe that is immoral to enshrine History in law.

International Red Cross Records Prove Holocaust was a FRAUD


Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves

Krege's team used an $80,000 Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege's team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.

The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged "mass graves" portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.

"From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site," says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. "We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether." Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.

Holocaust survivors seek Nazi files

Witnesses told a congressional panel of their frustration with the long, still-unfinished process of opening a secret Nazi archive with millions of files on concentration camps and their victims.

Leo Rechter, an Austrian Jew who survived the Holocaust as a boy by hiding in basements and attics after his family fled to Belgium and his father was deported to Auschwitz, testified Wednesday of his incredulity that the information had been kept from survivors for more than sixty years.

"Of all the public archives in the world, what possible justification can there be to prevent us from learning the truth about what happened to our families during the Holocaust?" he asked. "This information really belongs to us; it's about our lives."

Maybe the archives don't support the official version of history?

Zionists using Holocaust to silence people: chief rabbi

Chief Rabbi of the Orthodox Jewish Community in Austria, Moishe Arye Friedman, believes that the “Zionist regime is using the Holocaust concept as a tool and weapon to silence people.”

A Narrative from the Past to Justify Present Atrocities

Holocaust Remembrance: What's Behind the Campaign?

On the occasion of the opening of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum on the Mall in Washington, noted Jewish author Melvin Jules Bukiet called the Museum a “statement of raw power,” and added: “It’s not Jewish tragedy that’s remembered on the Mall this week; it’s Jewish power to which homage is paid.”

Faked Shoah Memoir Sparks Concerns

In the wake of the recent disclosure by the author of a Holocaust memoir that her best-selling book is a fake, historians are worried that such incidents will cast doubt on legitimate Holocaust scholarship and memoirs.

If this were only one hoax, one could shrug ones shoulders and say, "Hey., no big deal."

But the problem is that this latest fake is just the most recent in a long line of fake books purporting to be first hand accounts of the orthodox version of the history of WW2.

Yes, common sense says that if large numbers pf the books being held aloft to "prove" the orthodox view are exposed as frauds, there is a credibility problem with the whole story.

Fake Shoah Memoir Threatens Holocaust Industry

In the wake of the recent disclosure by the author of a Holocaust memoir that her best-selling book is a fake, historians are worried that such incidents will cast doubt on legitimate Holocaust scholarship and memoirs.

If it were just the one fake, I would agree. But the problem is that so many of the holocaust claims have been proven fakes. In addition to Misha, other books like "The Painted Bird", and "Fragments: Memories of a Wartime Childhood" have proven severe embarrassments. Claims of soap made from human fat and lampshades made from human skin have been discredited by modern forensics tests. There never was a camp Walscak. There are no mass graves at Treblinka.

Had the holocaust happened as the orthodox account claims, there should be so much hard factual evidence around that there would be no need for so many hoaxes and deceptions.,

Something is clearly wrong here.

Survivors oppose the transfer of Holocaust archive to D.C.

Nonetheless, museum officials said they will not permit archival access via the open Internet or via terminals at libraries and universities around the country, the way other databases of documents are commonly accessed. Museum officials declined to explain their motives for restricting access.

One can safely assume that if these records supported the orthodox account they would be made available, even mandatory, online.

But early reports of the contents of these archives are that they contradict the conventional story of WW2 Germany's slave-labor camps and confirm that Jews were not the sole targets of the Germans, and that the vast majority of camp deaths were from epidemics, not deliberate executions.

Spanish Jewish leader urges jail terms for Holocaust denial

Truth needs no laws to support it. Truth survives re-examination. Truth survives questioning. Truth survives verification. Throughout history, from Galileo to Zundel, only lies and liars resort to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma.

Do people who think Elvis is still alive face arrest? Do people who claim to have seen Bigfoot have their lives destroyed? Do people who claim to have taken a ride in an alien spaceship languish in prisons? Only in this one area of inquiry does the mere asking of a question bring the full weight of the legal system down upon ones shoulders. Only in this one area are you commanded to believe as you are told without question, with disobedience to be severely punished.

There is nothing new about genocide. It has happened far too often throughout history. But with genocide, the surviving victims usually WANT further examination of the crime. The surviving victims WANT research. The surviving victims WANT all possible evidence unearthed. Only with the history of WW2 are the purported victims seen to fight as hard as possible the examination of the actual evidence connected to their claims.

It is nothing so much as the behavior of the defenders of the orthodoxy that casts doubt on the veracity of their claims. They act as if they have something to hide.

FLASHBACK: I Am A holocaust Denier and I Am Unafraid

9-11 Truth And The Holocaust

The fact is that even though at trials of such Holocaust Revisionists as Ernst Zundel, whose defense brought up significant truths with regards to certain aspects of the official Jewish Holocaust story, using forensic experts and cross-examining top Jewish Holocaust leaders such as Raul Hilberg, revealing many conflicting discrepancies in their stories, the judge found Ernst Zundel, who is a pacifist with no previous criminal record, guilty of “incitement to hatred” and he’s been in jail for years, first in Canada and now in Germany where he was extradited to. You can google him for the details. Remember there are always at least two sides to every story, so do your cross-referencing. So the end result was that the Truth about the Holocaust was/is completely irrelevant in his trial. The fact is that his powerful political enemies want him in jail. Period. It’s like the Grand Inquisition. Even his defense lawyer in Germany has now been put in jail.

The judge in Zundel's trial actually stated that the truth of the matter was irrelevant. Even if every word of what Zundel spoke was the absolute truth, IT WAS STILL A CRIME TO SAY IT.


Holocaust industry in Israel: Banks refuse to transfer funds of Holocaust victims

Israel sets Holocaust damages at $240 billion

Ever buy a car?

Ever buy a car and want to look under the hood to make sure that the car was what the salesman said it was?

Ever buy a car and want to look under the hood to make sure that the car was what the salesman said it was only to have the salesman tell you that you could not look under the hood, could not examine the engine, could not verify that the car was what the salesman said it was, and demanded that you take the sales brochure at face value, without question?

Would you buy a car under circumstances like that?

I wouldn't.

And yet Israel wants us all to buy the Holocaust car, for between $240 billion to $330 billion, only we are never allowed to look under the hood, never allowed to verify for ourselves that the Holocaust car is everything the salesman tells us it is.

I'm not going to buy a car, or a computer, or anything else for that matter for THAT price solely on the strength of the sales brochure.

Holocaust® Reparations Bill in Congress could cost Americans 200 BILLION DOLLARS


Why, and especially after all the billions the US taxpayer has already been soaked for to hand to Israel (and which they use to kill other people), is the United States in any way, shape, or form, obligated to pay "Holocaust Reparations?"

The Holocaust, regardless of what it was or was not, HAPPENED IN GERMANY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LAST CENTURY. It was carried out by a German government which does not exist any more.

And, (I wonder if this counts as "Holocaust Denial") the United States did not take part in or support the actions of the German government in the middile of the last century (aside form the Bush family).

In fact, as I recall from my grandfather and various uncles who had battle scars on their bodies, it was the United States who helped STOP Hitler from completing whatever plans he had in the first place. And it was not without price for us to do so.

For Israel to approach the nation which has supported and defended it at great loss of international respect, then demand that we all somehow pay them for property lost to a now vanished German government is the height of greed, ingratitude, and disrespect.

I hope they don't expect us to save their sorry asses the next time they get into trouble.

Poland: The latest country to fall prey to the Holocaustâ„¢ Racket

The latest victims of fraud in Eastern Europe are the Poles, who now, according to their PM, want to "address" the issue of Holocaustâ„¢ reparations. Why in the hell should the Poles pay anything?

Anyone who's read some history of WW II will realize that the Poles got hammered by the German Wehrmacht at the beginning and then pounded by the Red Army towards the end of the war.

New Wave of Shoah Claims: Holocaust Groups Demand More Compensation from Germany

More than 60 years after the Holocaust, survivors and their heirs are filing new claims for compensation against Germany. And the Israeli government wants Berlin to provide additional payments of millions of euros to help pay for social services for survivors.

Now, why this is such a sham is that Israel has already signed an agreement with Germany setting a final price tag on the reparations Germany was to pay to Israel. And in that agreement there was a final deadline for the filing of any new claims, 1969.

So now Israel has decided that they want more, and the old agreement, signed by the Israeli government, is not worth the paper it is printed on. In short, Israel lied in the 1960s when they said they would never ask for more money if Germany agreed to their extortion demands. What else has Israel lied about?

And note that now Israel justifies its demands by including people who were never actually IN the German slave-labor camps to begin with!

Now, in case you all forgot, the government of Germany TODAY is not the government that actually committed these crimes. That government is gone. They lost WW2 and were destroyed. Most Germans alive today had not yet been born during WW2, and hence cannot be held responsible for what that previous government did, and certainly not to Israelis who also were not yet born during WW2.

No More Holocaust Reparations, Says German Finance Minister

Regardless of what you thin actually happened during WW2, the guilty are dead, the government that authorized it all is gone, and the vast majority of Jews and Germans alive today had not been born in 1940 and cannot be held liable for OR BENEFICIARIES OF, what really happened in the middle of the last century.

I applaud Germany for putting their foot down and saying that enough is enough.

Belgium gov't to pay Holocaust survivors

Campaigners welcomed the decision to compensate those whose property and goods in Belgium had been looted by Nazi occupiers.

HOLD IT. The Nazis commit the crime, but the people of Belgium WHO WERE ALSO VICTIMS OF THE NAZIS, get stuck with the bill?

I mean, who compensates the Belgians for THEIR losses? Or France? Or Austria? Or for that matter the present-day German people who were also victims of the Nazis?

and who pays compensation to the families of the soldiers who died stopping Hitler? Are they not owed something for their losses?

Israel seeks fresh Holocaust reparations deal with Germany

Minister for Pensioner Affairs Rafi Eitan is seeking to reopen the 1952 reparations agreement between Israel and Germany.

Eitan, the minister in charge of the talks with Germany on reparations for Holocaust survivors and retrieving Jewish property, intends to discuss the matter with the German finance minister when he comes to Israel in two weeks' time.

Eitan told Haaretz that the original reparations agreement, the Luxembourg Agreement, did not take into account many issues relating to Holocaust survivors and should therefore be reopened.

Totally ignoring the fact that the vast majority of Germans alive today had not been born when WW2 happened, and indeed the government that committed those crimes is long vanished.

The present-day government of Germany was not in control of events in the middle of the last century. Why hand them the bill?

and while we are at it, why is the US sending money TO Israel. We sacrificed much blood and gold to STOP Hitler. Israel should be paying Americans reparations!

But money is money and any excuse to soak the present day Germans (and anyone else they can sucker into it) will suffice, it seems.

Panel discusses Holocaust's role in Middle East conflict

Jewish Identity Can't Depend on Violence

Jewish identity in the past has been locked into the holocaust experience -- a German burden that the Jews have not been able to shed. It is a very good example of a community can overplay a historic experience to the point that it begins to repulse friends. The holocaust was the result of the warped mind of an individual who was able to influence his followers into doing something dreadful. But, it seems to me the Jews today not only want the Germans to feel guilty but the whole world must regret what happened to the Jews. The world did feel sorry for the episode but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on the regret turns into anger.

Arun Ghandi, the fifth grandson of Mohanda K. "Mahatma" Ghangi, was forced to resign amid charges that this article is "Anti-Semitic".

Yet, he makes a valid point. The United States was not responsible for the holocaust. Indeed we sacrificed much blood and treasure to STOP Hitler completing whatever plans he had. Yet Israel persists in claiming that Americans today owe Israel for what the Germans supposedly did to Jews in the middle of the last century, currently to the tune of $30 billion a year (while American women, children, and Iraq war veterans sleep in alleys and eat out of trash dumpsters).

Now, civilized behavior is that when someone rescues your ass, you express gratitude. You don't sit there whining about they didn't do enough and that they should continue to prop you up. Such ingratitude does produce, as Ghandi observes, eventual anger and rejection.

And bitch-slapping the people who point that out does not make the situation look any better.

Gandhi's Grandson Quits Peace Center

Gandhi wrote that Jewish identity "has been locked into the holocaust experience — a German burden that the Jews have not been able to shed. It is a very good example of (how) a community can overplay a historic experience to the point that it begins to repulse friends.

As a result of this accurate observation, Gandhi has been removed from the organization he himself founded!

DePaul University Cancels Class Taught By Professor Critical of Israel

DePaul University canceled the one remaining class taught by a controversial professor who has accused some Jews of improperly using the legacy of the Holocaust.

German lawyer for Zundel charged with denying Holocaust

When the state can prosecute the lawyer for defending the accused, then the whole appearance of a fair trial is mere pretense.

Holocaust scholar: 'Jew' has become curse word among German youth

German schools are failing in educating students about the Holocaust, a new study by a political education center has found, as German youth, who one historian said use the word "Jew" as a common curse in daily discourse, are increasingly distant from the suffering of the victims of Nazism.

Well, since the students were not even BORN when the Nazis were in power, maybe they are just sick and tired (as I am) of having "The" Holocaust crammed down their throats like it was all their fault.

Maybe they are smart enough (as I am) to realize that all this focus on what happened in Europe in the middle of the last century is just a smokescreen for what is happening in Gaza right now.

Maybe they are tired (as I am) of whiners with their hands out demanding money for something that the students had no control over.

Environmentalist sentenced for denial of 'Holocaust' dogma

Well-known environmentalist Dr. Johannes Lerle, 55, was sentenced in mid-June by an Erlangen court to one year in prison for alleged "racial incitement." The charge stems from his "public denial or minimizing of National Socialist atrocities in a manner designed to disturb the peace."

Odd how refusing to believe in God is at worst frowned upon, but refusing to believe in the holocaust can get you thrown in jail!

Lawsuit: Recognize 2nd generation as Shoah victims

Children of survivors plan to file class action against German government, demanding that it recognize traumas caused by childhood in shadow of Holocaust

In other words, we will soon have a permanent class of people who feel they are permanently owed compensation for something that happened before they were born, to be paid by people who were not alive back when it happened, via a government that did not exist at the time.

Israel declares there was no Holocaust Extermination

£7m fraudster freed over his flashbacks to the Holocaust

Talk about Chutzpah! Guy gets nailed for a multi-million pound money-laundering scheme, gets sent to jail, then tells the judge jail reminds him of the Holocaust AND THE JUDGE LETS HIM OUT!

They hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for our freedoms.

Professor Faurisson in police custody for questioning and a search of his house

In December 2006 then French President Jacques Chirac had publicly called for an investigation into Faurisson’s participation in the conference in Tehran on the Holocaust (December 11th and 12th of that year). That conference was open to all, including revisionists. A British subject before being a French citizen, it was in English that the Professor, a specialist in “the appraisal of texts and documents (literature, history, media)”, briefly spelled out the results of his research on “the Holocaust”. His paper bore the title “The Victories of Revisionism”. In it he didn’t hide his belief that the more revisionism gained ground, particularly on the Internet, the more revisionists would face repression, first in the media, then at the hands of the police and the law courts.

Lest We Forget the Real Holocaust and It’s Bolshevik Jewish Perpetrators! The Ukrainian Holocaust of 1932-33

This article illustrates a point I have previously made about "The" Holocaust.

Genocides are a sad but constant facet of history. What happened in Germany in WW2 was not isolated, nor confined to just one people. Typhus knows no citizenship. There were genocides long before Hitler was born. There will no doubt be genocides in the future. There is a genocide taking place right now as you read these words, both obscured and justified by constant reference to just one out of a thousand genocides that took place in the middle of the last century.

In the gap between "The" Holocaust and Gaza, there were genocides in the Soviet Union (23 million) , China (~50 million), Guatamala (100,000), Uganda (300,000), Cambodia (1.7 million), North Korea (1.6 million), Ethiopia (1.5 million), Biafra (1 million), Afghanistan (1.3 million), Rwanda (.8 million), East Timor (.8 million), Kurdistan (600,000), Bangladesh (800,000, Angola (400,000), Uganda (300,000), Zaire (number unknown), Liberia (22,000), Sierra Leone (200,000), Yugoslavia (180,000), Burundi (150,000), Centrafrica (number unknown), Vietnam, Haita, Chad, Taiwan, Chile...

All these genocides that happened AFTER WW2, and next to which the total deaths caused by the Nazis and Typhus pales, are not taught in the public schools. No museums to honor those dead exist in the cities of the United States. They don't count, any more than the non-Jewish prisoners in the German labor camps count. Israel cannot extort money with the memory of those other dead, cannot justify its own crimes in Palestine by pointing to those other genocides, so they are simply not important, the dead beneath notice and undeserving of sympathy. We are taught to honor only those dead governments can exploit to justify more killing.

So, we are taught about "The" Holocaust, indoctrinated with it, urged to worship it, bow down before it, and threatened with prison and worse for failing to make proper obeiscence to it, while all these million other deaths, useless to the powers that be, are simply tossed into the waste can of history.

And when was the last time you saw any nation pass a law making it a crime to doubt or question any of these other genocides?

Ukrainian mass Jewish grave found

A mass grave believed to contain the bodies of several thousand Jews killed by the Nazis has been found in Ukraine.

Over 50 million people all told died in WW2. They have to be buried someplace, yet every mass grave found is immediately declared to contain Jewish remains of the death camps.

People (with an agenda) can "believe" whatever they want, but it will take forensic analysis of the remains to determine their ethnicity and more to the point, just what they died of. The claims as to what the grave contains are premature to say the least, in light of the lack of time to carry out scientific tests.

How Not To Be Interviewed By CNN About The Holocaust

"As my buddy Al likes to say, 'In all of German-occupied Europe, there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.'"

ADL chief bows to critics

Israel has portrayed the holocaust as a unique event in history deserving of perpetual special remembrance. Sadly, history is full of genocides, and none are any more deserving of special note than any other. Are are equally reprehensible.

US Jewish group retracts stance on Armenian genocide

A prominent US Jewish advocacy group has retracted its decision to call the mass killings of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire a genocide, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Friday.

"Although independent scholars may have reached a consensus about the genocide, in an effort to help accomplish the reconciliation (between Turkey and Armenia) there is room for further dispassionate scholarly examination of the details of those dark and terrible days," the second statement read.

Is there room for further dispassionate scholarly examination of the details of the German slave-labor camps?

ZioPedia takes aim at Jews, 'Holocult'

Founded in May 2006 by the Sydney-based Rebel Media Group, ZioPedia is a Wikipedia-like on-line encyclopedia and a collection of blogs devaluing the Holocaust and attacking the Jewish people. The writers, mostly Jews themselves, say Jews exploit the Holocaust and anti-Semitism to control Western media and public opinion.

Switzerland Offered To Host Holocaust Deniers' Conference

U.S. expert condemns Simon Wiesenthal Center's Nazi loot claims

The report from U.S. expert Lynn Nicholas, published by the Royal Irish Academy following two investigations over three years, called the Simon Wiesenthal Center's allegations "unprofessional in the extreme."

Apparently the Wiesenthal Center screams "Nazi Loot" whenever they see something they want.

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